Announcement (Concerning Dolls)

[casvdry]

Announcement [New Policy]:

The Administrators and Moderators of FF.net would like to discuss a new policy effective today (Tuesday July 8th, 2008) concerning the posting of dolls which are being utilized in a sexual manner. We believe that such behavior could be the gateway to illegal deviant sexual postings and the breeding ground for pedophiles. As such, a joint decision has been made among the staff here at facialforum.net to disallow any post which involves dolls including, but not limited to: Barbie, Bratz and other such dolls.

The decision has been made and we hope that it doesn't impair or affect any of your views of facialforum.net. Certainly, there are many other places you can share and do things like this. We feel that for the safety of our users and the security of our forum that it is best to disallow any such postings here. Please reference The Rules (Rule #16) for more information.

As of this stage, the rule applies to and prevents postings which include figurines/dolls which are geared and marketed for children. Which aren't sexual in nature. As far as I know, Dolls bought and marketed as sexual devices and other items which were marketed to an adult audience are okay.

Please be advised that this announcement is not insinuating anything for the current posters of this material. But that, it could potentially attract the wrong group of people in to our forums. Since this type of thing does take place in the free section it could easily be found by others through Google.

[umbersun]

Me either! To be honest I don't care very much about the dolls, although I find it funny to see them covered with cum, but I don't know where in the world you took that idea. To like or deslike pedophilia has nothing to do with dolls! My god! I wouldn't have any problem to cum on a doll but I would never molest a child or distribute/post/divulgate material related with pedophilia. Man, not a happy idea!

[casvdry]

Sorry. The consensus is that it may lead to this type of discussion and in no way reflects that the current postings are by people who are like the ones we're trying to prevent from cropping up. We just feel like it could be a potential gateway for that type of material and it's best to nip it in the bud well before it ever gets to that stage.

This isn't to say that if you cum on a doll, you're a pervert. But, since some of the materials/dolls used are toys and primarily played with by children we feel like that aspect of the whole niche could draw in the wrong crowd. It's the same idea behind teenage modeling. It has its place in society, but it can and will attract the wrong group of people. This was a joint decision that the entire moderator team has made that helps protect the longevity of our forum and prevents future problems.

[SimonKemp]

...dolls as props leads to pedophilia? I would like to see it - perhaps a link or another document/research project that supports your fear. I resent the implication that one leads to the other. Unless you can substantiate your fears I must conclude that your moderators have not been forthright with answers they have given me in the past.
If you did not want the doll community - which now is obvious - why did you take so long to make this decision? I respect you decision - just don't lay that lame 'pedophilia' excuse as a reason to prohibit posting of those images. I prefer the more direct approach as stated in your new rule.
Do you know of research that suggests a 'link' between the two behaviors? Again - I'd like to see it.
Mac

Bottom line is we have had complaints and we've got to cover our arse.

Mac, I know you understand. Your stuff in my opinion was OK but we had posts after that were questionable and led to complaints.

Complaints lead to problems and none of us needs that.

Hope you all continue to enjoy the forum. All the staff work real hard (for nothing) to keep this place alive.

Personal Thanks to the staff and all the members.

[cognito]

Do I need to change my avatar?

[casvdry]

Do I need to change my avatar?

I wouldn't think so Cognito. That could have easily been bought as a present for you, by your boyfriend.

[SimonKemp]

Do I need to change my avatar?

I just love you cognito me old mucker!

[goboy]

I don't get off on dolls, so I couldn't care less about this matter. But why are these threads still active after the imposition of Rule 16?
http://www.facialforum.net/showthread.php?t=13483

[casvdry]

I don't get off on dolls, so I couldn't care less about this matter. But why are these threads still active after the imposition of Rule 16?
http://www.facialforum.net/showthread.php?t=13483

I hate to seem confusing, but what the rule applies to is a doll/toy which was marketed, produced and aimed towards children, not adults. Those figurines feature nudity as well as being geared for an older audience. I do not believe they fall under the rule.

[casvdry]

Moderators it looks like you have a dillemma. Are they marketed exclusively to adults?

Please review the dolls the following thread links to. I won't continue to put links on the forum. I am only doing this to show a couple of Barbies that are not aimed at children at all. Please convince me that the 'target market' for these dolls that Mattell has in mind is pre-pubescent, pubescent, or teenage girls. My bet is that these are aimed at adults.

Here are those links. In the 'spirit' of not being a "dictatorship" please allow these links to be viewed.

http://barbie.everythinggirl.com/cat...bcat_id=210015

http://barbie.everythinggirl.com/cat...bcat_id=210015

Your job as moderators does involve censorship. Be careful of what parameters you choose. I hope you leave the other thread up! however I will always view that choice as inappropriate and hypocritical if in fact you choose to leave it. You are setting a precarious precedent. I wish you wisdom in that process.

Please don't make this anymore confusing than it has to be. Barbies were originally created and manufactured for children. Bratz, surprisingly enough, were created and aimed at becoming Barbies competition. Sure, you have those adults out there who will collect items such as Barbies for their value or as a hobby.

The issue @ hand is that Barbies, as well as Bratz are predominantly a childs toy. I have stated many times why the rule was put in place. I will check the links you've posted and take everything into consideration. Either way, decisions are made based on the views of every moderator, so my drawn conclusions and decisions doesn't reflect what may actually happen. We censor the same things that would likewise be censored by any government up to and including illegal activity and while that isn't the case here, the decision is to stop something from ever manifesting itself.

EDIT: I reviewed the links. The same reason why Barbies such as this are created is the same idea behind play stoves and playing dress up. To allow the child to envision themselves as an older person or so as to act grown up. Toys/Dolls are not marketed nor designed for grown ups. Which doesn't mean adults cannot collect them, but they certainly aren't designed for adults to play with. That is not to say that anyone acting out a fantasy with dolls or figures is different. Of course not, it's a niche/fetish, everyone has them. Some suit us better than others, but the point in this decision was to shield the forum from anything that could potentially arise from linking a sexual act with a childs toy especially those who may join in on the forum who unlike you, take the idea a little further and converse with others in distributing and discussing illegal activity and using ff.net as their underground.

It was mainly these few things that the decision was based upon.