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Just always wondered where ray guhn got his girls rarely seen them on other sites anyone know?
I don't know for sure, but my best assumption would be that he came into contact with the girls in his movies via local swinger clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zombiefan99
The site was started in Florida. Pensacola, I think. The guy who ran it eventually sold to some group that is in, I think, Colorado. There was a big obscenity case against him in his home town and I think he may have gone to jail. Google his name you should find it.
As for the girls? They mostly look like strippers to me. Guhn always claimed that they were uncompensated and just did it for fun. I don't believe that. Some of them do look like they could be local swingers, but not that many of them.
There are a ton of people on this site who should know more about this than me. Unfortunately, the general chat section is rarely very useful.
Was really wanting to know if anyone knows anything about cohf tonya like her real name or any other porn shes done she seemed to be a regular then one day was just gone, and still can't believe she did that public bukkake and no one knows her name.
You guys should all join Platinum... You would get answers there from a real community with so much knowledge.
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Join now, you really won't regret it.
Most of the girls were from Vancouver, Canada, especially the later ones (Vanessa/Tobi Pacific, Karma, Alexa), so I think they moved to Vancouver at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris25
Yeah, most of the later girls were minor porn stars that did/have done other shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by RemBo
I have also wondered what became of the girls and guys from the old COHF shoots. So far as I know they've never turned up anywhere on the internet.
Well, if by strippers, you mean "prostitutes", then you're onto something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris25
When Ray Guhn went to jail it was revealed that the female "stars" were paid something like $1000 a pop (probably a poor choice of words, since they'd usually take about 10-15 "pops" per shoot); fluffers got $300-$500 (I guess depending on whether they were just there to give head or the whole shebang). "Big Jim", the fat guy who kind of acts as the "director" in the older shoots, said in an online forum that most of the women were "jailhouse whores". I'm not quite sure what that means, but maybe some of you know. Anyway, I once found the website of "Amanda", a girl who fluffed in quite a few COHF shoots. Here's the "non-link" to a website with her: http:// www (dot) escort (dot) sexcia (dot) com/escorts/post_13653.html. And here, from FF, is a picture of her from a COHF shoot: Amanda. She has quite a few good reviews in various places, but all of her advertisements on the net are pretty old now. Seems like she's moved on with her life since then. Sara's real name came out a while back, not sure how, but I won't share it here since the FF moderators don't approve of that kind of thing.
As for the girls from later COHF, yeah, they were all minor porn stars probably doing a lot of hooking on the side. But the newer stuff is mostly shit anyway, so who cares? We probably don't need to waste time worrying about post-2005 stuff (at very latest).
Cheers,
obelisk
She wasn't a prostitute just an average girl who did what she had to do to support herself we have two children together now but she's still as hot as ever she did these shoots to get money to tour with widespread and that's how we met her names Jess and I'm dale we stopped doing this in 2002 but if you have 3 to 5 grand we will be happy to come out of retirementQuote:
Originally Posted by nero1984
Wow, "Dirtydadd"! I don't know about the 3-5 K, but you haves droves of people who would like to hear about the COHF experience (from "Tonya's perspective). Any chance if getting a verification picture?
Thanks for speaking up!
Would also love to see verified I know Mike south is on site maybe you could work something out.
Didn't mean to talk out of turn, mate :). I echo the others in thanking you for speaking up. Tonya/Jess's return would be a major internet event! Hell, it might even tempt some other retired COHF ladies out of the woodwork!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydadd
Cheers!
Obelisk
i worked with "Jenn" [the redhead with the really crappy tattoos and clit piercing] in Vancouver, BC at a music store called HMV.
she goes by the name of Jenn Seven. i cant seem to find much of her stuff or her videos. does anyone have any links???
this one? h ttp://www. xvideos .com/video581428/cohf_jenn_all_cumQuote:
Originally Posted by bb83
yes, her.
thats the only clip ive ever seen of her, the 6 minute clip. are there any full videos of her for the COHF???
bb83:
Would you mind telling us more about your relationship to her? How did you discover that she made an appearance on COHF?
Thank you!
no, i dont want to get too personal.
I remember how COHF touted that their girls were just everyday horny girls doing it just for fun. I am sorry but anybody with half a sense of reasoning could realize that was smoke, a guy is going to make a million off these episodes and the girls aren't gonna want anything out of it money wise? There might be some women out there with enough kink to do it just for kicks but reality is us guys the dogs we are too often will usually be more willing to do a stranger for free just for the sex compared to a woman doing guys just for free and then getting put on a pay site..
Yeah there are some horny swingers out there, kinky wives and girlfriends but a site like COHF racking in boatloads of money and the girls will just fuck and suck 15 strange guys for free?, I don't think so.
Although the comment about them being "jailhouse whores" I wouldn't agree with probably although who knows what those girls are up to these days you might walk into a local strip club and see one of them dancing or maybe see them on backpage in the certain section or maybe just got married and is living a normal life.
If they did move on in life and are married with kids now they probably would rather forget about the past though. I read a article recently on some former porn stars who left the business and are married and or with kids and how estranged fans taunt and torment them searching them out evening threating their husband sometimes, when they really would like the past left in the past.
when i worked with "jenn seven" at first, i was intimidated by her. the tattoos and piercing and fire-y redhead played a huge factor, but once i got to know her, she was a pretty cool cat. she has this sexy-raspy voice and a care-free attitude. this may sound kinda gross, but everytime i saw her at work, INSTANTLY i would get a boner, gawd it was so fucking embarassing :(
AND THEN, when i found out she did internet porn, i nearly busted my nut. i wish i hadn't passed up the opportunity to get with her. another one of those things you see in hindsight :,(
bought 2 of her DVDs and it just arrived. so excited!!!
not all but many of the girls that were shot by ray before the bust were local prostitutes a few were aspiring porn stars. Ray actually went down partially for the prostitution aspect (also drugs and weapons)
he sold the site to some clowns in canada who mostly shot aspiring canadian porn chicks and from there I think the shoots went to europe someplace I dunno if the site is even still active.
I knew Ray back then and he was an attorney so to me it was astounding that he made the fundamental mistakes that he did that got him busted. I talked to Jim after the whole thing went down but decided to steer way clear of those guys...didnt need that kinda trouble.
did they ever sell the COHF videos? id love to buy the ones with jenn seven in them
Thanks for sharing that, Mike! I was inadvertently made aware of his involvement with guns way back when they were still operating COHF in the U.S. I personally speculate that drugs just came along with his lifestyle (regardless of his profession - clearly he had a power/party personality), so it was only a matter of time before things got wrangled in by institutional entities.....
Nonetheless, I often find myself envious of the people who just so-happen to have known him, thereby being able participating in the fun! In fact I feel the same way about Southern Bukkake.
oh i wished i hadn't passed on the opportunity to hook up with jenn seven. boy, that would've definitely been some fun, fun, fuuuuuuuun times. :(
I have been a member of COHF off and on since the early 2000s. They used to have a live chat section (maybe still do?). There was a woman / moderator on a particular evening that was somehow connected to Ray Gunn or other "mover/shakers" of the site. I can't remember. Anyway, she was very nice and seemed very real. She didn't do typical "porn speak". She sounded like she was just interested in helping out the site. However, at one point, she admitted that she had "considered" doing a scene for the site. I don't think she ever did, but it was very erotic hearing her discuss her thought process about simply considering it !!!:thumbs_up:
So cool that Mike South himself participates on this website. Promise: I will join any site that manages to bring back one of the old COHF girls. This should happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeSouth
@mike south: any news from your experiences with JENN SEVEN????
do you guys sell any of the COHF videos???
Like many folks on here I was always fascinated by COHF and how they found so many girl next door types who were willing to get so nasty. The early days were always best to me Tina, Sara and Tonya were always some of my favorites.
Anyway I did a search on Ray Guhn and found this on a Florida law blog.
Ray Guhn "Obscenity" Prosecution in Pensacola
In Santa Rosa County last week four individuals from Escambia and Santa Rosa County entered pleas relating to state court charges of RICO, Florida Statute 895.03, which basically means “running a criminal enterprise by a pattern of criminal incidents.” In this particular case, the pattern of criminal activity allegedly occurred over a seven year period and stemmed from using local “models” or actors and actresses primarily from Pensacola as performers in sexually explicit movies. The movies were then uploaded to a website known in cyberspace under the screen name “Ray Guhn.” At it's peak the website had 5000 subscribers. The only way to access the sight was to pay the $30 per month access fee. The website still exists but has been sold to a new owner. There are 100s of other similar sexually explicit sites as well as many sites which involve "harder core" pornography. I represented the General Manager of the web site. In exchange for pleas the state dropped some of the charges against the defendants and agreed to a range of imprisonment of two to four years for the General Manager and three to five years for the owner of the website. They faced a maximum sentence of 60 years plus but if convicted after trial they may have realistically received sentences ranging from 10 to 20 years.
The prosecutor, by merely by using the RICO statute, made the "Ray Guhn" case much more serious than a "simple" distribution of obscene materials case. Jerome Mooney, Esq., a past president of the First Amendment Lawyer's Association, represented the owner of the web site. Mr. Mooney stated in a recent article about the case for the Adult Video News Magazine: “there were unique factual aspects of this case which made it different from the traditional obscenity case.” Specifically, in addition to the allegations of distribution of obscene material, the allegations involved a few of the performers claiming they had been provided controlled substances by one or more of the named defendants, that the use of escorts to make these films was legally prostitution and the mere payment of adult to perform sexual acts was a violation of Florida's prostitution law. Most of these same performers have pending RICO charges alleged against them for their involvement in escorting services in Pensacola that will not be resolved until after the resolution of this case. These witnesses were cooperating with the prosecution in hopes their own sentences would be reduced.
If the case had proceeded to trial, the State would have attempted to offer evidence of numerous bad acts, charged and uncharged, of both my client and the other defendants. RICO carries with it a Level 8 on the Florida Criminal Code Punishment score sheet and enhances what otherwise might be simple misdemeanors to a first degree felony punishable by up to 30 years in state prison. The government would have had to have proven the Racketeering offense is supported by "predicate acts or incidents." Specifically in the Ray Guhn case those predicate acts were prostitution, distribution of obscene materials and distribution of controlled substances. Because the defendant’s were additionally charged with Conspiracy, a level seven on the Criminal Code Punishment score sheet, to convict any of the defendants all a jury would have had to have found was that anyone one of the four defendants committed two incidents of either obscenity, prostitution or drugs within a five year period of time. A rather simple thing for the government to prove to establish such a serious crime. In exchange for pleas the government agreed to dismiss the conspiracy charges. The owner, who was solely charged with money laundering, entered a plea to that count, which is a Level 9 first degree felony.
It is because of the potential for abuse of the RICO statute, which was modeled after the act originally designed by the U.S. Congress to apply to organized crime under federal law, there are many appellate cases, including cases from the Florida Supreme Court as well as the U.S. Supreme Court, that caution prosecutors not to apply RICO to garden variety criminal undertakings to merely elevate what otherwise are less serious criminal law violations to a first degree felony. This often results cooperation of less culpable defendants who suddenly are facing long prison terms if convicted. Gross v. State, 765 So.2d 39 (Fla.2000), cautions the concept of a "criminal enterprise" is not to be applied to “garden variety criminal undertakings.” Id. at 49 n. 5.
The community in which the obscene materials were to be judged was Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa and Walton Counties, probably four of the most “conservative” counties in the State of Florida. The case ultimately should have no precedential value on what is or is not considered obscene in the four county area because there was no finding of obscenity by a jury.
In light of the my client and the other defendants sentencing not being scheduled to be heard until August 11, 2008, it is not appropriate or ethical to discuss their case or the government’s case in more detail at this time. This article regarding RICO and the reporting of the pleas in this case will be followed by an article attempting to make sense out of what is or isn’t obscene and what material is legal or illegal to possess. The law establishing the test for obscenity was devised in a 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case Miller v. California, a case decided 35 years ago before anyone thought there would be a community called "cyberspace." This will be a challenging article to write. Last year I as invited to join the First Amendment Lawyers Association, an organization filled with intellectuls, professors of law and ardent defenders of the First Amendment. Although I am a just a trial lawyer, I have to say that the lawyers associated with this group are some of the best in the country at what they do, that is defend your right to be you and my right to be me.
Thanks guys for the kind words....I dont know Jenn and even though P-cola is only 6hrs away by car we didnt shoot the same girls and our styles were very different. I run my shoots VERY VERY legally, I dont allow drugs or even alcohol on set, I dont advertise for talent I prefer instead that they come to me and Im picky about whom I shoot not so much in terms of looks but in terms of what I think her motivation is for doing the shoot. I believe that it is to my advantage to weed out girls who are doing it for the wrong reason.
My shoots are always open to my site members and theres no charge or donation or anything to join in...you get tested you do as requested in the request for invite and you follow the rules like be nice to the girl, be clean, no drugs or alcohol....common sense stuff.
COHF made a pile of money no doubt but sadly I think it went to Rays head and he did realy dumb things that ended up getting him busted....
I see you still have not join platinum forum where her two movies with COHF are waiting for you and so much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by bb83
Pierre
@pierre: it's too expensive :(
Hi, I found a series of Jenny with a picture of this goddess 10 years after her last activity - well, she still looks good!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by obelisk
Oooops forgot the link:Shocked:http:// www. imagefap. com/ pictures/ 4406564/ What%5C%27s-not-to-like-JennyQuote:
Originally Posted by Milfy
Have been looking for a very early cohf vid that had a girl in it that danced at Lookers in Pensacola. Her stage name was Brooke real name Melanie. She is not the Brooke that did multiple shoots on these threads.
I actually know one of the girls personally ......search for COHF Beth..shes fucked up on drugs....her tits are still amazing but her voice is annoying as fuck....shes kinda hot if you can get pass the horrible dog smell on her and she takes a bath......Real name is Stephanie or Blush in the strip clubs down there
I always get Brooke and Emma Starr confused
Damn! COHF Beth was my go to for years! I love that scene with her, and there are some killer pics from that session! I would love to see her in any form! As far as I know she only appeared in porn that one time.... is there more?Quote:
Originally Posted by somerandomdude87
The girl I like the best was Gabrielle (Gabby) - blond, curly hair, beautiful face and smile.
She did the shoots: Gabrielle!, Halloween (2003), New Year's Party (2004), Picture Perfect, First Anal Encounter, Gabby Cum Googles, Purple Pleasures, Gabrielle's Personal COHF Interviews - and her last one - Members Party.
I always wanted to find something more about here - but, as the most of those wonderful girls, she appeared from somewhere, did fantastic things in fron of the camera (she was woted #1 girl by members of the COHF and
pronounced Queen of Cum). And then she dissapeared.
I read somewhere (probabbly on COHF blog) that she was a saleslady - and that's all I have on her.
But, I guess that's the thing with all of those girls - they showed when they wanted and left when they decided it is time to go (and made us, their fans, in tears).
Unhappy ending of the great site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeSouth
Ray did fantastic job with those girls. I don't care if they were prostitutes - most of the girls were cuties and they looked like the girls next door.
Pitty that he didn't try to start all over again with similar site.
Some of the later girls were preforming for another bukkake oriented site. From conversations that you can hear, director is a woman :)