opinion on movies like Massive Facials

[ivyjay]

hi
as I posted an opinion (on scenes of Massive Facials 4 I had just watched) in (apparently) the wrong section, I copy it in the general chat , sorry for the inconvenience !:

"well I've just seen the Lexi belle and Holly Michaels scenes from MF4. I found they're two cute pornstars, especially Lexi. I watched the Brooke Lee Adams scene from another Massive facials edition only for her. I wanna be honest. I really enjoy facials (if I'm a FF member of course I am), and watching multiple facials too. I enjoy japanese bukkake movies. I often find hot and sexy a wonderful woman's face covered with cum. Esthetically I find it beautiful. but I really don't like this fashion of really rough blowgang. I can't stand it, it ruins everything (for me of course) . I like the Holly's face at the end of the scene but I find awful all the rest of the scene. It could be very different, sexy, more respectful with the girl. Multiple blowing can be very sexy, cute. Why is there always rough blowing, gagging, spit covering the face? Why men have to push women's heads to be blowed? Why are there always extreme irrumation (don't know if it's the correct english term)? I think it's very insulting over the girl. Why men in these movies shake her throats with their hands like they would like to strangle them. I was impatient to watch Lexi in a bukkake scene (she has done maybe only one scene with 4 facials at the end ), but I 'm very diapointed to see her really abused. Well I don't judge fans of this serie but personnally I don't like this and I notice there are no other kinds of US blowgangs, it 's always an extreme form of male domination and violence ,even in the one on one scene. Porn industry has changed but what it was "extreme " in the past is just "normal" now (even the most famous female pornstars make this kind of scenes) . So the look of very young inexperienced men (watching these films) over girls and sexuality is changing too. They 're gonne think every woman like these rough sexual treatments, which is not. (some like this of course but I think it's a minority. Of course there can be domination play in a couple) If the pornstars accept all this , it's mainly for money. when you watch a 18 years old girl , fresh in porn industry, making rough gangbangs, I'm not sure they do it for her taste. I really doubt about it. maybe I'm the only one to think that. I 'm curious to hear other member's and women's opinion about that (maybe it's not the right place in "pornstar section") . For instance, in the past I liked to watch porn movies with my gf (even with threesome, dp's) she could watch it. Now it's difficult to find a movie she could enjoy because of this violence. "

and :
"I'm glad to receive approvals answers. I feel less alone. Again I'm not an angel offended by all porn imaging ! but sexually violence abused against women make me angry. I 'm sure that not all the men enjoy this kind of movies.
When I think about that kind of movies (MF4 is an example, I could choose another series) , I try to imagine if I would like to be treated like in Massive Facials (choking, someone spitting in my mouth, hard to breath 'cos of the rough deepthroat, face becoming red,...). The answer is no. So how could I accept (and enjoy watching that in a gonzo movie) a treatment I couldn't imagine for myself? Men thinking that girls are slut maybe think that they deserve such rough treatment, personnaly I really don't agree. And I don't understand male porn performers now.
About making movies that couples coud watch :Porn industry has had many problems with the increasing use of internet. so the way to make cheaper films was gonzo.If for many men (including myself), it's not a problem to be excited directly by watching a porn scene straight to the action (like gonzo), many women prefer the context of the scene, some scenario (even a little one to introduce the scene), my gf prefer has to fantasize over the idea of the scene. Making movies with scenario (you have to pay a screenplayer) , dialogues, costumes,... cost too much money for most remaining porn companies. Gonzo is cheaper. Nevertheless even porn movies with scenarios (and more budget) are more agressive against females than in the past. (for instance the XXX porn parody of series or movies are also more rough than in the past. the Seinfeld one is an example)
It's why I prefer to watch real amateur couples. I like FF for the great couples who share their facial fantasy passion. I really respect them. The only thing I don't understand is that it' s only the gf who shows her face, rarely bf shows their faces.
But really this forum is awesome. Thanks to FF (and specially thanks to a nice couple who unfortunately don't post any more of their pics, but I really thank them), I have shared with my gf my facial passion. and now we talk about all my cum fantasies and she gradually enjoy to receive facials and accept some of my cum fetishes. Now I watch with her the pics of the month competition, she tells me her favorite pics. I think it can also be interesting to share some ideas about porn, sex, fantasies... but maybe I shoud post in the "general chat" section. Thanks for the reactions and if other members want to react, feel free. "

[tks7_1]

I love bukkake too and I'm also a lover of rough, brutal throatfucking so all the deepthroat, gagging and abuse before the bukkake is super-hot!

[dtvc01]

I think MF-4 is a great film and I think the blowing, throating, was great.

Beside my personal opinions:
Porn is a business. And the business right now have the trend that the girls should be able to deep throat (you see it in much more film today, then before), and that they are treated rough.

Sorry, when you can not enjoy it, as I total understand you what you say, when you said it ruined it for you.

And I think the girls didn't mind the way they were used. They all were very natural. There are other stuff (like FacialAbuse) where you see that the girls do not feel good. This is an other extreme, but I think all the girls in MF-4 were fine with what was on the plot.

I like MF-4 from the first to the last minute.

[ivyjay]

some more reflexions (sorry if my english is bad)
it's interesting to have other opinions. when I watched Lexi Belle's scene, I really didn't think that she was ok and comfortable with this. It could be curious to interview her after the scene ( a real interview, ,not the MF4 director's interview) or seen her between the cuts of the scene. ok I agree it' s not facialabuse or Max Hardcore.
Obviously some people like this kind of rough gonzos. I don't judge. what is difficult for me to understand is that it 's becoming the mainstream kind of porn. If someone was interested in rough porn, he could find it by searching it. But now as maintream female pornstars play in these movies, people who never had searched that , watched it for the girl. So more people are confronted to this kind of movies. And it changes the way some young people consider girls. Business already makes disaster in other fields. Business always tries to excite our primal instincts, but in society we have to control it. so I 'm afraid of people who could copy what they 've watched on TV (played by professionnal and paid female pornstars). There are an increase of multiple rapes (gangbang rapes) in France for instance. For me, I see a connection between the increase of watched rough porn and this situation.
we can resist to business. what if porn business decides that from now mainstream porn is goldenshower and every new female pornstar begins to accept goldenshowers? And again I don't understand why it's always women who are rough treated,abused in porn gonzos as they all liked that? why men are rarely the abused ones? another strange think I notice, there are more asslicking in movies (it ' s no problem with that, I enjoy that), but when a girl licks a man's ass, it 's often seen as an humiliation for her, and we rarely see the male having pleasure of that (there are no zoom on the guy's face who have pleasure with the asslicking)
As another member previously said, porn producers could make more business, more profit, by listening to women's fantasies, to what women would like to watch in a porn movie. as now , porn for women are rarely successfull (I 've shown some "porn for women" to my gf, and she haven' t enjoyed that, except maybe one. she found it boring)

[dtvc01]

Hey ivyjay,

I think this can start a deep philosophy discussion...

I do not like to agree, that rough porn will increase sex crimes.
This is a general problem. We see more crimes everywhere. We see more radical movement in these days.
See the Arabic Spring, see the riots in GB or the Occupy Movement. The problems in the Euro Zone.
Life is going fast.
So things change.

And you should never forget: Those girls know what will happen, when they appear on the set. This is mainstream porn, no underground porn, where some girl wants to make quick money and do not know what she is running into!

There were other MF parts before, and Lexi Belle knew what was coming.

Hey, young people look MI:4 and don't start to climb Kuala Lumpur Towers!
You know what I mean?

I think this is a excuse used too often.
And computer gamer player, who play shooters, kill people...
No, that is too simple.

When somebody is weak, mad or whatever EVERYTHING can be the trigger for a crime or bad behaivor.

I don't say that all girls are happy when they are treated like that.
But some really don't mind.
And some HAVE fun.
Really!

[The Shape]

I grew up listening to "Slayer" and "Venom"........I don't worship the devil

I played countless "shoot 'em up" video games...........I don't want to shoot anybody for real

I watched many horror movies and violent movies.......I don't feel the need to kill

I have seen many "rough sex" scenes........I don't and never would want to force something on someone or have them do something they aren't comfortable with.

A person would have a predisposition towards these kind of behaviors and simply seeing something would not change an otherwise normal person into someone who commits crimes of any kind.

Maybe "rougher" porn is becoming more mainstream good or bad but that is a side effect of living in a free world. If it sells and people want to see it then it will be produced.

My opinion on the massive facials series? Pretty good facials but the sex is kind of "vanilla"

[Dimmesdale]

Ivyjay, if you search "femdom" you'll find men being abused.

My question for Ivyjay: what specifically do you like about facials?

Personally, I like facials for a variety of reasons, some darker than others.

[ivyjay]

of course all the people who watch rough porn or violent movies don't commit rapes or crimes (hopefully) . But I think these movies can (I said "can") have influences on unedecated people, intelectually fragile people. TV can be the only educational reference for many teenagers.
(Scientific researchs have shown the influence of long exposition to tv (all kind of program, especially if babies up to 3 years old were "tv-sitted") over the concentration (attention deficit disorder) .2 searchers from university of Washington (Seattle), Dimitri Christakis et Frederick Zimmerman have shown that, other european sociologists too). But I recognize I change of subject!)
I really don't want to accuse someone here. Really. I confess I was shocked by the Lexi Belle (and Holly Michaels) treatment, it didn' turn me on but I respect other guys enjoy that. I only think these movies become mainstream in porn and I think porn can show others forms of sex (showing pleasure) . Maybe I'm too old? (Im' 40!) Not that I think porn was amazing, more intellectual, more respectful with women.. (I'm not naive) but it changed.
I think people (in western countries) are anesthetized by entertainment and don't fight for a better world. They say "it's the economical which decide everything". The cultural curiosity is getting lower and lower. ..

yes I know femdom and it can be interesting (I watched a scene in which Jessie Andrews is really rough with a guy) but it's not mainstream. and majority of guys can't accept to see a man sodomized by a girl! the contrary is absolutely normal for them. A man fucked by a girl is considered by many guys as an homosexual.

what I like in facials? wow a really hard question. I can't really good explain (especially in english, I'm french speaking). esthetically I find that terribly sexy (even in bukkake I found it beautiful). I don't take it as humiliation. (I don't like pics or movies in which the girl clearly really doesnn't like cum. I prefer when the gf is next door's type, cute , innocent look and she enjoys having cum on lips, tongue, nose, hair, clothes...hmm) . Maybe I like the meeting between the face (and the mouth with which we talk) which is (rarely) hidden in society and the cum (which comes from a man's part which is hidden in society). It troubles me.
Maybe in my personal life (not when I watch porn) I like the fact that when people talks to my gf, I know that she was previously facialized and that they can't imagine that (maybe they do!).
I enjoy seing the girl enjoying the facial, playing with the cum, making bubbles.. I also enjoy the cumplay with food for instance. I don't know why I 'm a facial fan , maybe because my previous gf's didn't like that (at all!) .

another thing (maybe I will have again less friends after that ;-)) I don't understand , why some people compare facial with golden showers? It s totally different! I don't understand why there is a "pee" section in FF
thanks to all your answers. I really respect that sharing of opinions. I admit sometimes I could have been more nuanced.
Jay

[Alzarhok]

Massive Facials is just pretty standard rough blowjob stuff. Pretty tame compared to some other stuff out there, even a lot of Mason's older stuff which was far more extreme.

I find it pretty hard to think of it in a violence against women kind of way when it's directed by a woman, and pretty consistently is set up in a way that just depicts the whole thing as just a new exciting experience for the woman, not some set up where she is being dominated by a group of men, regardless of what guys say during the scene.

[beat]

Thanks for bringing this up ivyjay. I understand your displeasure about Massive Facials 4. I also had similar thoughts. I agree with pretty much everything you mentioned. I cringe sometimes when I see women being aggressively treated in these "blowbang" scenes. Unfortunately, that is the trend these days in the adult entertainment industry.

As mentioned before, this is just business. The individuals performing in the sex scenes and those who film these movies are here to make money. Everyone is under contractual agreement. They know the risks and made the decisions to proceed accordingly; that's the life they chose. I appreciate their work even though I don't always enjoy the end product. Who am I to judge when I have never done this type of work before. The recent release of Massive Facials 4 (MF4) was just another addition to the diversity of porn categories that exists.

MF4 was better than I expected. The only scenes I cared for was with Holly Michaels and Lily Carter. Lexi Belle annoyed me. I like her as a performer; I just can't withstand the loud screaming and moaning. I think my favorite of the series is the first one. I prefer Mason's/Sam No's older movies mostly because the way she engages with the performers is very sexy to me. There are far more offensive material than MF4 these days. I feel this series is redundant but more power to them if they feel it's good business.

Porn will continue to evolve whether the change originates from the viewers at home or the producers at the set. Regardless of who was originally responsible for the trend we see today, the evidence is clear that pornography has gotten more rough than before. I know when I first saw a rough deep throat scene," Throat Gaggers 4" for example, I was shocked. I gradually became accustomed and desensitized to these types of scenes. I enjoy them now, to a point. It helps to know when the woman who is being treated rough is presented with an interview before and after the scene. I don't know if she is being honest but it gives me a sense of relief knowing she survived the ordeal. I keep it all in perspective though. I don't have any urges to treat anybody like the way I see these performs treat eachother on film. It's purely fantasy. Anyone who can't distinguish what's real and what's not real have serious psychological problems in my opinion. Everyone has their personal taste in sexual arousal. I appreciate porn for what it's worth. I have respect for the women and men who produce these films for my personal enjoyment. Especially to the brave ladies my gratitude will always be there.

Ivyjay, if you and your girlfriend want to see xxx films with a little more substance, I recommend movies by Wicked. They make classy films in my opinion. They seem to put some thought and investment into the production. They even make the men wear condoms.

I'm curious about how men are treated in gay porn. Are they also physically treated like women in straight porn?

Finally, I'm curious about the folks who have participated in "blowbang" events in their personal lives. How was it for you?