I'm not only new here but to this whole newsgroup thing. However, some valid points have been made by THESHAPE (and I don't think he's too aggressive -just from New Jersey or one of those places that start with 'new'). I'm one of the people that irritate you experienced folks, but I'm starting to see that a handful of threads could be joined under one -so somebody's not taking time to look around before starting new threads. I like the idea of adding to one's rep before commenting and drawing some stroker like THESHAPE into a deadend. Thanks for listening.