I laughed when I read your reference to my 'rambling reply'; yeah, I may have gone on a bit. Fair comment. But at the end of the day, I'll just say this: if you like the thread, for whatever reason, please keep visiting. If you don't, go elsewhere. Those of us who have contributed pictures to the thread obviously share some kind of common ground. That seems to come down to our interpretation of 'humiliation'. It seems to have had a lot of visitors, so we must be doing something right!