BTW, I've been accused of 'rambling' on the issue of what constitutes humiliation elsewhere in this thread, and there has been some recent criticism. In my view, humiliation is in the eye of the beholder. I've only posted pictures which I genuinely consider to be true to the theme. Some might look 'soft' to some of you, but for me there are humiliating aspects; it's a question of perception. I would hope that viewers of this thread would enter into the spirit in which I posted images. And I reiterate: let's keep this thread going!